Talk:Saltpeter - Revision history

TullyMars: /* Dungeon Mining and Luck */

2011-07-19T12:31:39Z

‎Dungeon Mining and Luck

TullyMars: /* Dungeon Mining and Luck */

2011-07-19T12:19:42Z

‎Dungeon Mining and Luck

TullyMars: /* Dungeon Mining and Luck */

2011-07-11T16:09:53Z

‎Dungeon Mining and Luck

TullyMars: /* Dungeon Mining and Luck */

2011-07-11T16:08:43Z

‎Dungeon Mining and Luck

TullyMars at 14:55, 11 July 2011

2011-07-11T14:55:11Z

TullyMars: /* Dungeon Mining and Luck */

2011-07-11T14:40:52Z

‎Dungeon Mining and Luck

Multani: round 2 for my input

2011-07-08T04:35:17Z

round 2 for my input

TullyMars: /* Dungeon Mining and Luck */

2011-07-07T18:49:38Z

‎Dungeon Mining and Luck

Nimuaq: minor table fix

2011-07-07T17:51:20Z

minor table fix

Multani at 17:23, 7 July 2011

2011-07-07T17:23:09Z

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 :::::: Finished off my hour of luck bonus and added results.  Not much testing overweekend.  Too much family RL stuff. Now I will be doing it with 1275 Luck and switching dungeons for my next test. --[[User:TullyMars|TullyMars]] 07:55, 11 July 2011 (PDT)
 ::::::Did prelim test at 1275 luck in Dungeon Shame, the spawn was giving me more problems than usual so not sure how that effected the time and swings. My earth el slayer bow usually mows them down but today bad run of luck --[[User:TullyMars|TullyMars]] 09:09, 11 July 2011 (PDT)
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 |100||+5 Gloves||Tram/Shame Lvl-1||Dungeon||Hit & Run||No||1275||00:21:00||125||1||2||0||0||0||399
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-|100||+5 Gloves||Tram/Shame Lvl-1||Dungeon||Hit & Run||No||12755||00:21:00||125||1||2||0||0||0||399
+|100||+5 Gloves||Tram/Shame Lvl-1||Dungeon||Hit & Run||No||1275||00:21:00||125||1||2||0||0||0||399
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 |unmod2||mod2||loc2||loctype2||meth2||evid2||luck2||dur2||#swing2||#gig2||#mass2||#huge2||#large2||small2||saltpeter2
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 :::::Well butter my butt, and call me a biscuit.  I'm surprised to see that I discovered the same number of deposits, and that the quality of them was what shifted.  This is shaping up to be a mighty fine test.  Since I'm a pretty avid pirate, I'll often be mining for saltpeter, and I'll be continuing to add my findings to the table.  I'll try another round of mining with 0 luck to add to that data, but I'd rather go higher in luck at this point :).  The next step I might try is to just do one hour with the statue bonus +400 for me, and submit a round at 1195.  --[[User:Multani|Multani]] 21:35, 7 July 2011 (PDT)
 :::::: Finished off my hour of luck bonus and added results.  Not much testing overweekend.  Too much family RL stuff. Now I will be doing it with 1275 Luck and switching dungeons for my next test. --[[User:TullyMars|TullyMars]] 07:55, 11 July 2011 (PDT)
-::::::Did prelim test at 1275 luck in Dungeon Shame, the spawn was giving me more problems than usual so not sure how that effected the time and swings.
+::::::Did prelim test at 1275 luck in Dungeon Shame, the spawn was giving me more problems than usual so not sure how that effected the time and swings. My earth el slayer bow usually mows them down but today bad run of luck --[[User:TullyMars|TullyMars]] 09:09, 11 July 2011 (PDT)
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 |unmod2||mod2||loc2||loctype2||meth2||evid2||luck2||dur2||#swing2||#gig2||#mass2||#huge2||#large2||small2||saltpeter2
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 :Don't mind at all.  Just did my first test.  The area I hit is a special area (I believe it was an EM Area and someone gave me a rune)  I counted swings between strikes and not of course swings to mine the niter deposit.  I am thinking using the hit and run method significantly reduces the effect of luck.  --[[User:TullyMars|TullyMars]] 06:47, 7 July 2011 (PDT)
 ::Right off the bat it's obvious that a huge amount of luck has increased the saltpeter collection, what kind of suit are you wearing?? I'll have to look into a high luck suit, because I thought my 700-900 was high!  I'd be curious to see if there is indeed a minimum amount of luck required to start noticing a difference, I'll be testing tonight for another 2 hours of mining using a common, middle of the road 700 luck suit.  Also, the counting swings part didn't make sense to me for dungeon mining, just boat.  Since we're hit and running, I didn't think it applied since when you hit an 8x8 area, it is either there or it is not there (for a GM miner).  No use hitting the same 8x8 area more than once in a 5 minute span.  My definition of hit and run was to hit a tile, then run about 8 tiles and hit again.  And I don't stop running and hitting until I pull up a niter deposit.  Or did I goof already? :)  --[[User:Multani|Multani]] 10:21, 7 July 2011 (PDT)
-:::No goof.  I do the same thing pretty much.  The counting of swings is my way of counting the 8x8 areas.  I just put it in swings because I really don't count the number of steps I take between swings.  In theory each swing should be a new 8x8 area, in practical terms it may not be.  I do the constant walking and hitting my macro.  My suit is fairly high luck. I imbued my mining gloves with 100 luck then enhanced with gold ingots for 140 luck (failed and lost gloves about 4 times before succeeding) I got a lucky necklace on, a robe of the eclipse, each crafted piece is imbued and enhanced so 130 to 140 luck, i carry a lucky bow at 120 luck while I mine (earth el slayer imbued and enhanced) and I am one of those old farts so I get 900 luck from the statue.  You can get higher than my luck but I got to a level where I was happy with my results.  I always hope for soles of providence when I throw my lucky coins into the fountain and I could carry weapon and shield while mining for a quick boost.  One day I will rework the rest of my suit to maximize it but for now 2125 suits me fine. --[[User:TullyMars|TullyMars]] 11:49, 7 July 2011 (PDT)
+:::No goof.  I do the same thing pretty much.  The counting of swings is my way of counting the 8x8 areas.  I just put it in swings because I really don't count the number of steps I take between swings.  In theory each swing should be a new 8x8 area, in practical terms it may not be.  I do the constant walking and hitting my macro.  My suit is fairly high luck. I imbued my mining gloves with 100 luck then enhanced with gold ingots for 140 luck (failed and lost gloves about 4 times before succeeding) I got a lucky necklace on, a robe of the eclipse, each crafted piece is imbued and enhanced so 130 to 140 luck, i carry a lucky bow at 120 luck while I mine (earth el slayer imbued and enhanced) and I am one of those old farts so I get 850 luck from the statue.  You can get higher than my luck but I got to a level where I was happy with my results.  I always hope for soles of providence when I throw my lucky coins into the fountain and I could carry weapon and shield while mining for a quick boost.  One day I will rework the rest of my suit to maximize it but for now 2125 suits me fine. --[[User:TullyMars|TullyMars]] 11:49, 7 July 2011 (PDT)
 :::::Well butter my butt, and call me a biscuit.  I'm surprised to see that I discovered the same number of deposits, and that the quality of them was what shifted.  This is shaping up to be a mighty fine test.  Since I'm a pretty avid pirate, I'll often be mining for saltpeter, and I'll be continuing to add my findings to the table.  I'll try another round of mining with 0 luck to add to that data, but I'd rather go higher in luck at this point :).  The next step I might try is to just do one hour with the statue bonus +400 for me, and submit a round at 1195.  --[[User:Multani|Multani]] 21:35, 7 July 2011 (PDT)
-:::::: Finished off my hour of luck bonus and added results.  Not much testing overweekend.  Too much family RL stuff. Now I will be doing it with 1225 Luck and switching dungeons for my next test. --[[User:TullyMars|TullyMars]] 07:55, 11 July 2011 (PDT)
+:::::: Finished off my hour of luck bonus and added results.  Not much testing overweekend.  Too much family RL stuff. Now I will be doing it with 1275 Luck and switching dungeons for my next test. --[[User:TullyMars|TullyMars]] 07:55, 11 July 2011 (PDT)
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 |unmod2||mod2||loc2||loctype2||meth2||evid2||luck2||dur2||#swing2||#gig2||#mass2||#huge2||#large2||small2||saltpeter2
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 :::No goof.  I do the same thing pretty much.  The counting of swings is my way of counting the 8x8 areas.  I just put it in swings because I really don't count the number of steps I take between swings.  In theory each swing should be a new 8x8 area, in practical terms it may not be.  I do the constant walking and hitting my macro.  My suit is fairly high luck. I imbued my mining gloves with 100 luck then enhanced with gold ingots for 140 luck (failed and lost gloves about 4 times before succeeding) I got a lucky necklace on, a robe of the eclipse, each crafted piece is imbued and enhanced so 130 to 140 luck, i carry a lucky bow at 120 luck while I mine (earth el slayer imbued and enhanced) and I am one of those old farts so I get 900 luck from the statue.  You can get higher than my luck but I got to a level where I was happy with my results.  I always hope for soles of providence when I throw my lucky coins into the fountain and I could carry weapon and shield while mining for a quick boost.  One day I will rework the rest of my suit to maximize it but for now 2125 suits me fine. --[[User:TullyMars|TullyMars]] 11:49, 7 July 2011 (PDT)
 :::::Well butter my butt, and call me a biscuit.  I'm surprised to see that I discovered the same number of deposits, and that the quality of them was what shifted.  This is shaping up to be a mighty fine test.  Since I'm a pretty avid pirate, I'll often be mining for saltpeter, and I'll be continuing to add my findings to the table.  I'll try another round of mining with 0 luck to add to that data, but I'd rather go higher in luck at this point :).  The next step I might try is to just do one hour with the statue bonus +400 for me, and submit a round at 1195.  --[[User:Multani|Multani]] 21:35, 7 July 2011 (PDT)
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 ==Dungeon Mining and Luck==
 Something like this?
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 |100||+5 Gloves||Ilshenar/Spirituality||Dungeon||Hit & Run||No||0||02:00:00||N/A||3||17||0||0||0||2920
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 [[User:Nimuaq|Nimuaq]] 11:43, 6 July 2011 (PDT)
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 *I hope you don't mind, but I moved the table to the top!  --[[User:Multani|Multani]] 22:42, 6 July 2011 (PDT){{Line Break}}
 :Don't mind at all.  Just did my first test.  The area I hit is a special area (I believe it was an EM Area and someone gave me a rune)  I counted swings between strikes and not of course swings to mine the niter deposit.  I am thinking using the hit and run method significantly reduces the effect of luck.  --[[User:TullyMars|TullyMars]] 06:47, 7 July 2011 (PDT)
-::Right off the bat it's obvious that a huge amount of luck has increased the saltpeter collection, what kind of suit are you wearing?? I'll have to look into a high luck suit, because I thought my 700-900 was high!  I'd be curious to see if there is indeed a minimum amount of luck required to start noticing a difference, I'll be testing tonight for another 2 hours of mining using a common, middle of the road 700 luck suit.  Also, the counting swings part didn't make sense to me.  Since we're hit and running, I didn't think it applied since when you hit an 8x8 area, it is either there or it is not there (for a GM miner).  No use hitting the same 8x8 area more than once in a 5 minute span.  My definition of hit and run was to hit a tile, then run about 8 tiles and hit again.  And I don't stop running and hitting until I pull up a niter deposit.  Or did I goof already? :)  --[[User:Multani|Multani]] 10:21, 7 July 2011 (PDT)
+::Right off the bat it's obvious that a huge amount of luck has increased the saltpeter collection, what kind of suit are you wearing?? I'll have to look into a high luck suit, because I thought my 700-900 was high!  I'd be curious to see if there is indeed a minimum amount of luck required to start noticing a difference, I'll be testing tonight for another 2 hours of mining using a common, middle of the road 700 luck suit.  Also, the counting swings part didn't make sense to me for dungeon mining, just boat.  Since we're hit and running, I didn't think it applied since when you hit an 8x8 area, it is either there or it is not there (for a GM miner).  No use hitting the same 8x8 area more than once in a 5 minute span.  My definition of hit and run was to hit a tile, then run about 8 tiles and hit again.  And I don't stop running and hitting until I pull up a niter deposit.  Or did I goof already? :)  --[[User:Multani|Multani]] 10:21, 7 July 2011 (PDT)
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