Talk:Useless Skill - Revision history

Cogniac: /* Request for Comments on Removal */

2008-12-28T08:44:25Z

‎Request for Comments on Removal

JC the Builder: /* Request for Comments on Removal */

2008-12-28T03:09:00Z

‎Request for Comments on Removal

Bomb Bloke at 01:34, 28 December 2008

2008-12-28T01:34:43Z

Tancred RedStar: Request for Comments on Removal of "Useless Skill"

2008-12-27T20:57:06Z

Request for Comments on Removal of "Useless Skill"

Tancred RedStar: votes:Forensic Eval - Useless!

2008-11-13T13:55:14Z

votes:Forensic Eval - Useless!

Bomb Bloke: New page: It's all well and good to say Forensic Eval is used by "some quests", but which ones? The council massacre is no longer running, and didn't actually require you to have any points in the s...

2008-11-13T06:51:34Z

New page: It's all well and good to say Forensic Eval is used by "some quests", but which ones? The council massacre is no longer running, and didn't actually require you to have any points in the s...

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It's all well and good to say Forensic Eval is used by "some quests", but which ones? The council massacre is no longer running, and didn't actually require you to have any points in the skill anyway. - [[User:Bomb Bloke|Bomb Bloke]] 06:51, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

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	: I consider UOGuide more of a collection of all UO information, not just the facts. So this will allow guides, screenshots and other stuff to be posted on here without debating whether it is important enough to be here. If it is UO information, then it is allowed. As for `Useless Skills`, this is certainly a topic about UO and a lot of people view certain skills as being useless. Since this is not the section of another page but a separate one entirely, I don't see a reason it should not exist. Just make sure you have the proper wording such as "There are some skills in the game that players consider worthless, they are...". - [[User:JC the Builder\|JC the Builder]] 03:09, 28 December 2008 (UTC)		: I consider UOGuide more of a collection of all UO information, not just the facts. So this will allow guides, screenshots and other stuff to be posted on here without debating whether it is important enough to be here. If it is UO information, then it is allowed. As for `Useless Skills`, this is certainly a topic about UO and a lot of people view certain skills as being useless. Since this is not the section of another page but a separate one entirely, I don't see a reason it should not exist. Just make sure you have the proper wording such as "There are some skills in the game that players consider worthless, they are...". - [[User:JC the Builder\|JC the Builder]] 03:09, 28 December 2008 (UTC)
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		+	: Perhaps this page should be an exposition on what players' views have historically been concerning the utility and efficacy of certain skills?
		+	: --[[User:Cogniac\|Cogniac]] 08:44, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

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	: - [[User:Bomb Bloke\|Bomb Bloke]] 01:34, 28 December 2008 (UTC)		: - [[User:Bomb Bloke\|Bomb Bloke]] 01:34, 28 December 2008 (UTC)
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		+	: I consider UOGuide more of a collection of all UO information, not just the facts. So this will allow guides, screenshots and other stuff to be posted on here without debating whether it is important enough to be here. If it is UO information, then it is allowed. As for `Useless Skills`, this is certainly a topic about UO and a lot of people view certain skills as being useless. Since this is not the section of another page but a separate one entirely, I don't see a reason it should not exist. Just make sure you have the proper wording such as "There are some skills in the game that players consider worthless, they are...". - [[User:JC the Builder\|JC the Builder]] 03:09, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

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	--[[User:Tancred RedStar\|Tancred RedStar]] 20:57, 27 December 2008 (UTC)		--[[User:Tancred RedStar\|Tancred RedStar]] 20:57, 27 December 2008 (UTC)

−	:	+	: There was [[Talk:Skills# Useless is rather judgemental\|some discussion]] as to whether the link should be removed from the primary [[Skills]] page, but apparently no one felt strongly enough to actually make any changes.
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		+	: Can't work out whether we should keep it or not though. I get the impression people are a lot more likely to explain the purpose of a given skill if we do; after all, this page is probably what sparked all that herding discussion you mentioned (in fact that skill only lasted a single day here before being removed).
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		+	: The "learn for yourself" line hardly applies in that we also, for example, tell people with the [[Swordsmanship]] skill to take up [[Tactics]].
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		+	: Wait... no we don't... I should really go fix that...
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		+	: - [[User:Bomb Bloke\|Bomb Bloke]] 01:34, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

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	: I think it should be moved back to Useless, temporary quests and such shouldn't count, the page is meant to addresse overall everday gameplay. Additionally, I still have my reservations about Herding. Can it be used as an offensive, useful skill? Perhaps... but one could also use that stretch of logic to say Cooking is not useless because you can bake 20 loaves of bread in a pinch to obscure a doorway in a dungeon or hide the skull candle status of a champion altar. --[[User:Tancred RedStar\|Tancred RedStar]] 13:55, 13 November 2008 (UTC)		: I think it should be moved back to Useless, temporary quests and such shouldn't count, the page is meant to addresse overall everday gameplay. Additionally, I still have my reservations about Herding. Can it be used as an offensive, useful skill? Perhaps... but one could also use that stretch of logic to say Cooking is not useless because you can bake 20 loaves of bread in a pinch to obscure a doorway in a dungeon or hide the skull candle status of a champion altar. --[[User:Tancred RedStar\|Tancred RedStar]] 13:55, 13 November 2008 (UTC)
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		+	==Request for Comments on Removal==
		+	After some consideration spurred by seeing a lot of talk on UOForums about Herding recently, I think we should get rid of this page and all links to it. I have multiple reasons in mind for this:
		+	*Part of discovering UO and the ensuing fun is figuring out what a player "needs" and not be directed.
		+	*UOGuide is supposed to be a (mostly) objective information resource
		+	*Creating such a topic or classification is purely subjective and even the few skills included have varying degrees of acceptance of such a classification
		+	*Game mechanics can and do change over time.
		+	*There are loads of other places for advice and opinion(sometimes downright zealous) whereas UOGuide is the '''facts,''' sometimes seasoned with a sprinkling of insight or tips.
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		+	On the other hand, some of the accrued information here should be kept, perhaps elsewhere on the topic pages they reference. Knowing Arms Lore used to be a waste but is all but required now for a dedicated smith should be kept in the historical record somewhere/how.
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		+	If there is no alternative consensus or comment after 1 week's time, I will make changes to the effect of the above.
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		+	--[[User:Tancred RedStar\|Tancred RedStar]] 20:57, 27 December 2008 (UTC)
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	It's all well and good to say Forensic Eval is used by "some quests", but which ones? The council massacre is no longer running, and didn't actually require you to have any points in the skill anyway. - [[User:Bomb Bloke\|Bomb Bloke]] 06:51, 13 November 2008 (UTC)		It's all well and good to say Forensic Eval is used by "some quests", but which ones? The council massacre is no longer running, and didn't actually require you to have any points in the skill anyway. - [[User:Bomb Bloke\|Bomb Bloke]] 06:51, 13 November 2008 (UTC)
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		+	: I think it should be moved back to Useless, temporary quests and such shouldn't count, the page is meant to addresse overall everday gameplay. Additionally, I still have my reservations about Herding. Can it be used as an offensive, useful skill? Perhaps... but one could also use that stretch of logic to say Cooking is not useless because you can bake 20 loaves of bread in a pinch to obscure a doorway in a dungeon or hide the skull candle status of a champion altar. --[[User:Tancred RedStar\|Tancred RedStar]] 13:55, 13 November 2008 (UTC)