User talk:Thadius856 - Revision history

Cogniac: /* Bomb Bloke's Thoughts */

2009-12-16T16:07:38Z

‎Bomb Bloke's Thoughts

Cogniac: /* Correct Property Order */

2008-09-19T03:05:33Z

‎Correct Property Order

Tancred RedStar at 15:53, 18 September 2008

2008-09-18T15:53:50Z

Thadius856: Organizing using sub-sections, rearranging durability to end and responding

2008-09-16T17:16:53Z

Organizing using sub-sections, rearranging durability to end and responding

Bomb Bloke at 12:53, 16 September 2008

2008-09-16T12:53:11Z

Thadius856: /* New Template */ Response

2008-09-16T05:51:15Z

‎New Template: Response

Bomb Bloke: /* New Template */

2008-09-15T06:29:21Z

‎New Template

Thadius856: /* New Template */ Response

2008-09-15T04:10:36Z

‎New Template: Response

Cogniac: /* New Template */

2008-09-14T23:59:48Z

‎New Template

Thadius856: /* New Template */ + afterthought

2008-09-14T17:29:25Z

‎New Template: + afterthought

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 :'''Update:''' Thank you for your kind words. I'm glad that everybody seems to like it. I chose to use [[Aegis of Grace]] as a sample because its picture was already cropped down a bit. I just wanted to get everybody's feedback before I started adding ''every'' weapon/item property to the template, in the right orders.
-:I'll keep adding to it, since there seems to be a positive response to my efforts. And yes, colored links can be added, with or without underline. If you look at one of my other templates, [[Template:Item properties]], you'll notice that the links were forced to be black, and only show underline when moused over. I'll go ahead and implement that style for now, as we can easily change it at any time if you decide that style doesn't work for the 'guide. [[User:Thadius856|Thadius856]] 10:25, 14 September 2008 (PDT)
+:I'll keep adding to it, since there seems to be a positive response to my efforts. And yes, colored links can be added, with or without underline. If you look at one of my other templates, [[Template:Item Properties]], you'll notice that the links were forced to be black, and only show underline when moused over. I'll go ahead and implement that style for now, as we can easily change it at any time if you decide that style doesn't work for the 'guide. [[User:Thadius856|Thadius856]] 10:25, 14 September 2008 (PDT)
 :: The reason I suggest underlining them here is because I doubt some people would otherwise realise their existence (especially if they were new to wikis). In your properties template it's obvious the only reason the text is there is to serve as links, but as the item box template mimics the original so closely I'm not sure if the same holds true there. - [[User:Bomb Bloke|Bomb Bloke]] 23:29, 14 September 2008 (PDT)

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	:'''Response:''' Aye, it is quite frustrating. However, I've noticed that certain properties will always be in a sub-group together, and that they'll always follow that same subgrouping. So, how will I find out the order of all the properties? Well, to be honest, I won't. I'll just make the template as best I can, and then adjust it when I come across any item that "breaks the mold", so to speak. Plus, some of the Luna vendor search engine sites help, as I can search for multiple, specific properties on a single item... and have LOTS of results if I search across specific/all shards. Wish me luck. [[User:Thadius856\|Thadius856]]		:'''Response:''' Aye, it is quite frustrating. However, I've noticed that certain properties will always be in a sub-group together, and that they'll always follow that same subgrouping. So, how will I find out the order of all the properties? Well, to be honest, I won't. I'll just make the template as best I can, and then adjust it when I come across any item that "breaks the mold", so to speak. Plus, some of the Luna vendor search engine sites help, as I can search for multiple, specific properties on a single item... and have LOTS of results if I search across specific/all shards. Wish me luck. [[User:Thadius856\|Thadius856]]
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		+	:: So did you want me to unlock my template so you could work on it? --[[User:Cogniac\|Cogniac]] 20:05, 18 September 2008 (PDT)

	===Durability===		===Durability===

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	:'''Afterthought:''' I'd agree that the base item would be useful info, but with keeping the infobox very close to the game's popups, it would probably be a better idea to have that included in the first sentence of the intro paragraph. I'll add the parameter to the template, just in case its decided that it should be included there. In any case, I'll <s>leave it off</s> hide it towards the bottom of template's documentation to be on the safe side, so not everybody knows it exists and it won't be used willy-nilly. [[User:Thadius856\|Thadius856]] 10:29, 14 September 2008 (PDT)		:'''Afterthought:''' I'd agree that the base item would be useful info, but with keeping the infobox very close to the game's popups, it would probably be a better idea to have that included in the first sentence of the intro paragraph. I'll add the parameter to the template, just in case its decided that it should be included there. In any case, I'll <s>leave it off</s> hide it towards the bottom of template's documentation to be on the safe side, so not everybody knows it exists and it won't be used willy-nilly. [[User:Thadius856\|Thadius856]] 10:29, 14 September 2008 (PDT)
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		+	===Tancred Redstar's Thoughts===
		+	Looks great to me! --[[User:Tancred RedStar\|Tancred RedStar]] 08:53, 18 September 2008 (PDT)

	===Whitespace Problems===		===Whitespace Problems===

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 ==Capitalization - When (UO and RL)Worlds Collide==
 Hi Thadius856, welcome aboard! I've noticed you've made quite a few fixes today. Many of those changes were certainly needed, but on some it gave me pause to consider that UO syntax and colloquialisms don't always match up to standard English grammar rules. Some of this is simply the nature of MMO's and some even UO-specific. I'm relatively new here (in the grand scheme of things) and there isn't a Style Guide(something I've mentioned to others before), so perhaps JC, Cogniac, et. al could clarify this a bit so we could all adopt a comprehensive policy and common understanding. --[[User:Tancred RedStar|Tancred RedStar]] 22:54, 10 September 2008 (PDT)
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+===Bomb Bloke's Thoughts===
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 The way I see it, the goal is to use the same spelling/syntax as is used in game. For example, refer to the [[Boomstick]] article - Notice the capitilisation used in the page text matches that used in the image from the game.
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 -[[User:Bomb Bloke|Bomb Bloke]] 00:54, 11 September 2008 (PDT)
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+===Meridus' Thoughts===
 Welcome!  I agree that I would like to see the same syntax that is used in game, or is commonly used by players.  It sure raises the recognition factor and ease of use, as I'm cruising around the site.[[User:Meridus|Meridus]] 23:12, 10 September 2008 (PDT)
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-== Outnumbered ==
+=== Outnumbered ===
 Well, I can see I'm obviously in the minority here. Three SysOps to a single new contributor. I'm more than happy to respect the wishes of this site's administration. However, with these changes no longer being <s>needed</s> wanted, I don't see many other uses for my contributions. [[User:Thadius856|Thadius856]] 00:20, 11 September 2008 (PDT)
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 Hello again Thadius, I hope you will reconsider your view, we're all here to make UOGuide bigger, better and more useful for all UO players. This thing on capitalization is merely a technicality, one of the minute, finer points of a convention that was more or less inferred from early on. It's hardly a gulf of difference and your advanced understanding and long experience working with Wiki's could be a great contribution towards improving this UO community resource. I was encouraged to see another UO player with expertise stepping in to help, esp when I saw your request regarding working with the advanced editor. With nearly 6 years of UO experience, surely there is much you could add and provide veteran insight on. --[[User:Tancred RedStar|Tancred RedStar]] 06:19, 11 September 2008 (PDT)
 Like the others have stated, in the scope of things this is not a big deal.  We all agree consistency helps, There is no reason to redo hundreds of pages over a minor debatable issue.  '''However''', content is needed.  It is obvious to me you have a working knowledge of Wiki that far exceeds my own.  There are so many subjects and guides still missing from the site.  Will somebody please write a guide on making fire bombs out of bottles of Ale, or the non faction Tinkers trapped box. :) (You know: Mage locks down turn with deco tool right, or is it left??)  Anyway, please reconsider.  We know you have much to offer.
 [[User:Meridus|Meridus]] 10:18, 11 September 2008 (PDT)
-==New Template==
+==New (edit: Infobox item) Template==
 Tonight, I've been working on a new infobox for items (weapons, armor, etc). I figure that a universal template would greatly benefit the cause of this website. To this end, I wanted to gather ideas about how effective this template works to disseminating information about particular items before I continue developing.
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 I'd like to continue developing this template for mass deployment, but would like to first get the nod from the site's administration. If you could please leave your thoughts regarding the template on my talk page, I'd greatly appreciate it. [[User:Thadius856|Thadius856]] 21:35, 13 September 2008 (PDT)
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+===Meridus' Thoughts===
 Your new template looks very nice.  My only comment would be to include links such as used in:  [[Quiver of Rage]].  That being said, this is an area that [[User:Bomb Bloke|Bomb Bloke]] has put much effort into.  I'm not in a position to say one way or the other.  [[User:Meridus|Meridus]] 22:07, 13 September 2008 (PDT)
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+===Bomb Bloke's Thoughts===
 'Tis a thang 'o beauty!
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 :'''Afterthought:''' I'd agree that the base item would be useful info, but with keeping the infobox very close to the game's popups, it would probably be a better idea to have that included in the first sentence of the intro paragraph. I'll add the parameter to the template, just in case its decided that it should be included there. In any case, I'll <s>leave it off</s> hide it towards the bottom of template's documentation to be on the safe side, so not everybody knows it exists and it won't be used willy-nilly. [[User:Thadius856|Thadius856]] 10:29, 14 September 2008 (PDT)
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+===Whitespace Problems===
 Under my browser (Firefox 2) the [[Blade Dance]] had a gap of two lines between the "Hit Mana Leech" and "Mana Increase" properties. I trimmed out all the extra spaces and that fixed things.
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 :'''Response:''' I was noticing that myself on that specific article. Couldn't see any extra whitespace in the template, so I chalked my lack of success fixing it up to tiredness and went to bed. I'm glad you solved the problem. As for the whitespace in the template, it should be more than fine. All browsers worth the code their file size or made in the last 10 years should auto-hide multiple soft line breaks. Almost all cell phone browsers should as well, except VERY old ones, if even then. Anyway, don't fret about the whitespace. [[User:Thadius856|Thadius856]] 22:51, 15 September 2008 (PDT)
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+===Correct Property Order===
 I was wondering, how would the durability of non-artifact (255/255) items be best presented?
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 - [[User:Bomb Bloke|Bomb Bloke]] 05:53, 16 September 2008 (PDT)
-===Correct Property Order===
+:'''Response:''' Good question. I hadn't considered that they may vary. I hadn't considered that info as important, since so far I've been focusing on uniquely-named items (artis, etc). I just went ahead and added the feature.
-I like the itembox idea. So much so that I thought it up myself over a year ago. See: [[Template:Item]]. I made considerable progress on it with the help of some of the other sysops, but I was stymied by something that you mention a few comments above this: "adding ''every'' weapon/item property to the template, '''in the right orders'''." It's that "in the right order" thing that stopped me, because the two options were a.) get the dev team to look at the server code to determine the order or b.) spend 81923048234 hours painstakingly tracking items in-game to determine the order of all properties in relation to each other by hand. I went with a.) and I still have an open request going with Jeremy after about 7 or 8 months.
+::| mindurability=10
-After many fruitless months of waiting, I gave up, moved on to other things, and locked the template for safekeeping. If you want to figure out the correct ordering of all item properties yourself, I can unlock that template and you can keep working from where I left off. --[[User:Cogniac|Cogniac]] 16:59, 14 September 2008 (PDT)
+::''shows in the template as''
-:'''Response:''' Aye, it is quite frustrating. However, I've noticed that certain properties will always be in a sub-group together, and that they'll always follow that same subgrouping. So, how will I find out the order of all the properties? Well, to be honest, I won't. I'll just make the template as best I can, and then adjust it when I come across any item that "breaks the mold", so to speak. Plus, some of the Luna vendor search engine sites help, as I can search for multiple, specific properties on a single item... and have LOTS of results if I search across specific/all shards. Wish me luck. [[User:Thadius856|Thadius856]]
+::Durability: 10 (min) - 100 (max)

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	:'''Response:''' I was noticing that myself on that specific article. Couldn't see any extra whitespace in the template, so I chalked my lack of success fixing it up to tiredness and went to bed. I'm glad you solved the problem. As for the whitespace in the template, it should be more than fine. All browsers worth the code their file size or made in the last 10 years should auto-hide multiple soft line breaks. Almost all cell phone browsers should as well, except VERY old ones, if even then. Anyway, don't fret about the whitespace. [[User:Thadius856\|Thadius856]] 22:51, 15 September 2008 (PDT)		:'''Response:''' I was noticing that myself on that specific article. Couldn't see any extra whitespace in the template, so I chalked my lack of success fixing it up to tiredness and went to bed. I'm glad you solved the problem. As for the whitespace in the template, it should be more than fine. All browsers worth the code their file size or made in the last 10 years should auto-hide multiple soft line breaks. Almost all cell phone browsers should as well, except VERY old ones, if even then. Anyway, don't fret about the whitespace. [[User:Thadius856\|Thadius856]] 22:51, 15 September 2008 (PDT)
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		+	I was wondering, how would the durability of non-artifact (255/255) items be best presented?
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		+	I was thinking a lowest-highest possible max format (eg. Durability: 10-50), but I don't know what the minimum/maximum values for "standard", non-PoF/property affected items are...
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		+	- [[User:Bomb Bloke\|Bomb Bloke]] 05:53, 16 September 2008 (PDT)

	===Correct Property Order===		===Correct Property Order===

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		+	:'''Response:''' I was noticing that myself on that specific article. Couldn't see any extra whitespace in the template, so I chalked my lack of success fixing it up to tiredness and went to bed. I'm glad you solved the problem. As for the whitespace in the template, it should be more than fine. All browsers worth the code their file size or made in the last 10 years should auto-hide multiple soft line breaks. Almost all cell phone browsers should as well, except VERY old ones, if even then. Anyway, don't fret about the whitespace. [[User:Thadius856\|Thadius856]] 22:51, 15 September 2008 (PDT)

	===Correct Property Order===		===Correct Property Order===

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	::'''Afterthought:''' I'd agree that the base item would be useful info, but with keeping the infobox very close to the game's popups, it would probably be a better idea to have that included in the first sentence of the intro paragraph. I'll add the parameter to the template, just in case its decided that it should be included there. In any case, I'll <s>leave it off</s> hide it towards the bottom of template's documentation to be on the safe side, so not everybody knows it exists and it won't be used willy-nilly. [[User:Thadius856\|Thadius856]] 10:29, 14 September 2008 (PDT)		::'''Afterthought:''' I'd agree that the base item would be useful info, but with keeping the infobox very close to the game's popups, it would probably be a better idea to have that included in the first sentence of the intro paragraph. I'll add the parameter to the template, just in case its decided that it should be included there. In any case, I'll <s>leave it off</s> hide it towards the bottom of template's documentation to be on the safe side, so not everybody knows it exists and it won't be used willy-nilly. [[User:Thadius856\|Thadius856]] 10:29, 14 September 2008 (PDT)
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		+	I like the itembox idea. So much so that I thought it up myself over a year ago. See: [[Template:Item]]. I made considerable progress on it with the help of some of the other sysops, but I was stymied by something that you mention a few comments above this: "adding ''every'' weapon/item property to the template, '''in the right orders'''." It's that "in the right order" thing that stopped me, because the two options were a.) get the dev team to look at the server code to determine the order or b.) spend 81923048234 hours painstakingly tracking items in-game to determine the order of all properties in relation to each other by hand. I went with a.) and I still have an open request going with Jeremy after about 7 or 8 months.
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		+	After many fruitless months of waiting, I gave up, moved on to other things, and locked the template for safekeeping. If you want to figure out the correct ordering of all item properties yourself, I can unlock that template and you can keep working from where I left off. --[[User:Cogniac\|Cogniac]] 16:59, 14 September 2008 (PDT)

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	:I'll keep adding to it, since there seems to be a positive response to my efforts. And yes, colored links can be added, with or without underline. If you look at one of my other templates, [[Template:Item properties]], you'll notice that the links were forced to be black, and only show underline when moused over. I'll go ahead and implement that style for now, as we can easily change it at any time if you decide that style doesn't work for the 'guide. [[User:Thadius856\|Thadius856]] 10:25, 14 September 2008 (PDT)		:I'll keep adding to it, since there seems to be a positive response to my efforts. And yes, colored links can be added, with or without underline. If you look at one of my other templates, [[Template:Item properties]], you'll notice that the links were forced to be black, and only show underline when moused over. I'll go ahead and implement that style for now, as we can easily change it at any time if you decide that style doesn't work for the 'guide. [[User:Thadius856\|Thadius856]] 10:25, 14 September 2008 (PDT)
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		+	::'''Afterthought:''' I'd agree that the base item would be useful info, but with keeping the infobox very close to the game's popups, it would probably be a better idea to have that included in the first sentence of the intro paragraph. I'll add the parameter to the template, just in case its decided that it should be included there. In any case, I'll <s>leave it off</s> hide it towards the bottom of template's documentation to be on the safe side, so not everybody knows it exists and it won't be used willy-nilly. [[User:Thadius856\|Thadius856]] 10:29, 14 September 2008 (PDT)